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Another Averatec C3500 roundup

Inked ContentA few days have passed since my original mention of early Averatec advertising. Since then, Averatec actually updated their product page, confused a number of people, made others think the company was shady, and eventually updated their site again, removing some information. So here's a summary of what all happened and where things stand at this point.

On Monday, AMD announced its new mobile processors, including the Athlon XP-M 2200+ used in the C3500 tablet. Averatec first became a hero for AMD, because the press release made a big point about a Tablet PC using an AMD mobile processor for the first time.

Averatec issued its own press release, which mostly introduced a number of confusing details about the specifications. More on those a little later.

The product page was updated a little later, and at the time listed a separate model with an 80 GB hard drive available only at Costco. That model is now not listed anymore, although it should still exist, and the larger hard drive seems to be exclusive to Costco, at least for now. I think the model numbers are still in the air, so we'll have to see. There has also been speculation of inventory being available at Costco, Staples, and possibly other similar office supply stores relatively quickly - within a week or two, and maybe even this weekend already. That, again, remains to be seen, and might end up depending on your location.

The price, directly from Averatec, is currently $1,349.99, with a $50 rebate (PDF document) available for purchases made directly from Averatec, and dated between July 19 and September 30. Hopefully retailers will eventually have their own - and larger - rebates when they start carrying the model.

There still remains some confusion about the specifications, so here's a quick breakdown. The confirmed ones:

  • AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+ processor
  • 12.1" XGA display
  • 512 MB of DDR memory
  • Integrated DVD/CDRW drive
  • 10/100 LAN
  • 56k modem
  • 802.11g wireless networking (although the exact chipset is still not known)
  • 4 USB 2.0 ports
  • 60 or 80 GB drive (although the availability of the latter is still sketchy)
  • VGA, headphone out, microphone in, Type II PC Card slot
  • 5.5 pound weight with battery - this was changed from the previously (incorrectly) reported 4.5 pounds

The ambiguous or unknown parts:

  • Battery life: this has been changed from "up to 4 hours" to "up to 3 hours"
  • Video card: integrated or not, and which chipset?
  • Maximum memory capacity is unknown
  • Speakers: two or one?
  • Audio card
  • The so-called "TV Out, S-Video" port - the pictures seem to show a yellow RCA composite video output instead
  • Pen: does it have an eraser? (It looks like it might.)

Lora and Layne have been in touch with the Averatec folks and are trying to clarify as much of the ambiguous information as possible. In the meantime, Lora put together a great photo overview (doesn't work right now) with tons of pictures, including close-ups. However, the article quickly got Slashdotted, and WhatIsNew later suffered a technical setback, so the original article is down right now, and Lora set up a temporary alternate location for the photo gallery. The C3500 became a hero here for the second time, because it actually led to a Slashdot article, and thus created some more publicity for the Tablet PC.

What's my take on the C3500 based on the information available so far? Well, the weight correction was a major disappointment. I was really hoping for a sub 5-pound convertible with an optical drive - same weight like my M200 or Monica's PowerBook, but with the drive thrown in. I guess that sort of thing will take more expensive engineering to finally happen. So it'll be pretty heavy and with relatively short battery life. That concerns me too. If it's only "up to" 3 hours - and the stated numbers usually overshoot real results - then the actual time might end up in the 2 hour range, which isn't all that great. But again, we are talking about an affordable tablet, so the weight, battery life, and possibly heat issues will likely be the trio of tradeoffs that you'll have to endure to offset the lower price.

But you know what, that may be the end of the bad. The audio can't possibly be worse than the crappy mono speaker on my Toshiba M200. The video...well, that could end up being pretty horrific, but can it be much worse than the commonly used Intel Integrated Graphics modules?

And here are the massive positives: plenty of base memory and storage. Full complement of ports, including a nice external volume wheel, like on the M200. Even video out, apparently. (Hook it up to a TV and show off annotated vacation pictures?) Plenty of USB ports and fast wireless networking. The much coveted internal optical drive. I mean, that list sounds very impressive, and it's all for around $1,300! And in another move I loudly applaud, Averatec bundles OneNote with the unit - again, something I think needs to be present on each and every Tablet PC sold.

I really love the 4 USB ports, and the audio/video options. Plus I am a great fan of the (unfortunately) uncommon design where you have the pen in the lid next to the screen - that's where it belongs, and all tablets should at least have a secondary groove for it there.

Obviously, benchmarks will be needed to prove the C3500 is not a snail, and quality could be an issue too. But the low price point and the fact that this Tablet PC may (hopefully) end up being one of the most widely distributed (and available for touchy feely testing) tablets is absolutely fabulous! Hopefully the price point will rapidly slide down closer to the promised $1,000 mark, even if it takes a bunch of rebates. It just sounds nice. As I have said before, unless some OEM comes up with some revolutionary new design soon, the C3500 will be my tablet of the year, hands down. Not necessarily because of any specific features, but because it's precisely the affordable breath of fresh air that the tablet segment has been anxiously awaiting for two years.

Published Jul 22 2004, 12:00 AM by peter
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peter said:

I had a battery life chat with Averatec yesterday and this is why whatisnew.com changed the specifications to 3 hours. Under heavy use, the battery life will be lower. As you suggest, it is better to set this number lower rather than use the ideal 4 hours.

Oh, and the problem with the database was in the sessions table. I deleted the corrupt one, created a new table and restored the site. After serving up pages to /. several times before, I've found it easier to do this outside of postnuke. Lora renamed the modules.php (postnuke) and setup a sloppy ole html page so that postnuke would not slow down everyone's connections. All should be fine.

BTW: I think it was a coincidence that the database became corrupt at the time /. linked. Lora kept telling me I needed to get off my butt and do some heavy maintenance. Guess she was right again.
July 22, 2004 1:51 AM
 

peter said:

You guys got hammered pretty quickly by all the /. morons & trolls. Gotta applaud your effort to convince them that they're the idiots, but it's really a waste of your valuable time. Thanks for gettin' the photos back up though.

What's always interesting about getting /.'d is the amount of discussion that takes place relatively immediately. The problem is, I've combed through it, and so very much of it is "it's a big glorified PDA" crap with about 5 or 6 actual users pleading to get people to see through the forest. The whole thing seemed to melt down into a discussion of tablet pc's in general and little or nothing to do with the Averatec model itself.

Here's hopin' Staples or Costco gets one of these puppies in a store this weekend to get a real hands on look at one.
July 22, 2004 7:59 AM
 

peter said:

Mike, I agree that the discussion quickly became posts from people who must have never tried the Tablet PC or who had other agendas. I was looking at the times of posts this morning and most of the posts came within about 15 minutes of each other.

My only regret was my connectivity. For years, I've talked about needing redundancy for my connection (not the servers). Sure enough, my DSL line went down yesterday morning. There I was ... sitting on hold and trying to have a conversation with someone who speaks a different language was a waste of time.while /. folks were yacking about the Tablet PC :(
July 22, 2004 10:34 AM
 

peter said:

Mike, I think feedback is always a good thing. The pro- or con- comments on /. are still interesting to read every time a new product (Tablet PC or otherwise) comes out. They may not always be sane or logical comments, but it's still a greater range than I might come up with on my own. I think we can take the list of cons on the /. list, see if there is a pattern, and then come up with ways to appeal differently. It's not always possible, but there might be one or two really strong points to offer the flipside opinion on.

Layne's DSL connection was down because of southern California fires. I'm not exactly sure how to try to restore whatisnew (Layne manages the database), but I'll see what I can do on my own. Cross your fingers! (gulp)
July 22, 2004 12:13 PM
 

peter said:

Got tired of Averatec putzing around and decided to go with a refurbished Gateway M275 for less money. I can't wait to get it, I've been wanting one of these puppies for eons now.

Does anyone know if that xThink math software is capable of doing integrals, derivatives, or anything more complex than a log function?
July 26, 2004 7:59 AM
 

peter said:

Mike, it's actually not that bad with respect to the Averatec. According to reports, they are slowly starting to show up in stores, so the availability is improving.

As for xThink, the basic (and currently available) Calculator can't (as far as I know) do a lot of the more complex math. However, MathJournal - currently in beta - can at least do integrals, from what I've seen. You could probably e-mail them and inquire about any specific functionality you'd need.
July 26, 2004 8:49 AM
 

peter said:

Well I called both CostCo and Staples and neither had any idea of its existence, checked their computers, found that none were on order. So maybe it was an issue of them not coming to my location (Pittsburgh, PA), at least not any time soon. I saw the other version Averatec has, that's not a tablet, and decided after playing around with it that it wasn't an essential to go that direction. Interestingly enough, the C3500 doesn't have a built in microphone, which is one of the more intriguing features of Office OneNote (recording lectures, etc.). The Gateway, while refurbished, seemed to offer pretty much all the same features with a slightly larger screen, and Intel chipset. I'm hoping that in a year or so the technology will have advanced to the point where it'll be time to necessarily and easily upgrade to a better system.

I'll have to look into MathJournal, thanks for the tip. I'm studying nuclear & radiological engineering going into my senior year and am looking for anything that will help me keep up with my studies. Needless to say, most of my classes are just formula after never-ending formula, and it's pretty impossible to take any kind of engineering / math / physics notes on a standard laptop.

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As for the video out on the C3500, I posted over on that photo lineup at whatisnew about how the manual on Averatec's website shows a picture of the s-video port, and those pictures showed an RCA port. Amazingly, an Averatec employee (I assume) responded that the picture in the manual is indeed the right one and that those pictures are of a dev unit or somesuch.

Also the whole 5.5 pounds bit is another turn off. How is it that it weighs virtually the same as the Gateway (5.7 lbs) yet packs only a 12.1" screen in comparison to a 14.1"....

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I like the blog, keep it up, I'll be trolling around -- tons of time on my hands at work ;)
July 26, 2004 12:21 PM
 

peter said:

Sacramento CA officially has this tablet in the Costco stores. I putzed with one today while my 20mth old son tried to reprogram it. At first glance, the LCD color and clarity was more appealing than any of the other four laptops on display. The keyboard was a bit small and Costco had intentionally removed the stylus so I was unable to take it for a test drive. But the price jumpstarted my heart and I'm dying to get more info on this tasty device.
July 27, 2004 1:35 AM
 

peter said:

$1279 at CostCo, Sac, near Elk Grove. AgentDez, whoa a local. Hi. :)
July 27, 2004 4:27 AM
 

peter said:


I talked with tech support repeatedly, apparently the video is integrated "SIS M471"

Here's a link:
http://www.pcstats.com/releaseview.cfm?releaseID=1063

Sounds very untested to me, but exciting since the "AGP II" technology is 45% faster than AGP 8X. (3.2MBps as opposed to 2.1 MBps) These are accellerated graphics of course, made by the fine folks who brought you the Pro-Savage. Video uses up to 64 MB shared memory.

Also, there are apparently 2 (TWO) SODIMM slots for memory upgrade. $100 at tigerdirect and you have a total gig of 333mhz ram... (Less the allocated memory for video, of course.)
July 27, 2004 12:51 PM
 

peter said:

As of just speaking with an Averatec sales rep, the c3500 hasn't hit stores yet and even if you were to order one today, theres a lag time of a couple of weeks before it will be released and shipped. Not sure how the Costcos in California got them already, because us on the East coast are forced to wait for them.
July 27, 2004 2:38 PM
 

peter said:

how about reviews? Any word on one may come out? I''m really looking forward to this one.
July 28, 2004 10:08 PM
 

peter said:

"how about reviews? Any word on one may come out? I''m really looking forward to this one. "

I''m one to work with equipment for a fair time before writing about it. In fact, I''d be suspect of anything that shows up in the next few weeks because this would mean the reviewer really didn''t use it under enough different configurations to stress it. Let''s let the reviewers push the units to a full throttle and then write about it.

July 29, 2004 10:52 PM
 

peter said:

LOL! Layne, if I had one, I''d have pictures of the box, the unit, and the screen within a few hours. Plus the usual "does it creak" first impression commentary. A thorough review can always come later too. :-)
July 29, 2004 11:08 PM
 

peter said:

Stopped in Costco yesterday in Winter Park, Florida and they had C3500's on sale for either $1249 or $1279
July 31, 2004 12:03 AM
 

peter said:

Costco in Newport News VA has them in stock.!!!
July 31, 2004 1:28 PM
 

peter said:

TEST RUN OF THE AVERATEC C3500

had the opportunity to spend a hour playing with the Averatec C3500 at my local Costco store. Got the opportunity to do so since they had the tablet...had been in stock for couple days and no one seemed to know how to make the damn thing work ..... so had sort of a work shop..

The machine looks really nice and advanced design. a bit of a two stage slope to the front of the tablet with the screen gently sloping to meet the bottom. the latch to open is in the center and like the Acer, uses the same locking mechanism to lock the screen down as well as lock the screen when in the tablet mode.

The unit I had was an 12.1 screen 80g HD, 512 Ram (was told it was one stick, but I did not open the slot on the bottom to check out) It comes with the standard WinXP TP edition WITH Office OneNote included. I did not find the writing quite as smooth as with my Fujitsu ST5011D but then the Averatec did not have a screen protector on it. At first there was a bit of skipping when writing until I discovered I was not pressing enough. It does not require 'hard' pressing...just a different feel from a couple of the other tablets I have used. The keyboard felt okay, again a bit different from my present keyboard but then that is expected.

I did not find the fan to be distractingly noisey...but then I am an old man and maybe my hearing is a bit off. Certainly no louder than the M205 that I had....and sold...The AMD CPU seems okay. I did notice heat a bit sooner from the exhaust port...which is located on the back edge of the unit. Again it did not seem excessively hot for the time that I used it (plugged in...no battery)

Controls for switching from landscape to portrait(can be rotated in all four directions) is located on the top of the keyboard as is the scroll device...not a wheel but like a moveable switch. there is also a button which brings up a menu to control brightness, volume, etc...handy edition I think. also on the keyboard is the on/offswitch for the 802.11g wifi. The touch pad is marked to show you can drag/scroll top to bottom and side to side (a feature that the Toshiba had and did not clearly state and nearly drove me crazy as to why my cursor was shifting so much 'on its own'.

It comes with FOUR USB 2.0 slots, a video S connection as well as external monitor outlet. There is a volume wheel on the side and the obligatory headset/mic plugs. The speakers are on either side at the front (this is an edit on 7/29)... is like a lot of laptop speakers..sort of on the weak side and not one to enjoy your favorite CD on. There is a built in DVD/CD-RW is included along with Roxio software.

The screen is rather nice but does not have a wide angle for viewing and is a typical 12.1 XGA screen and would not be adequate for extended (read that 'any') use in direct sunlight. When writing on flat surface in tablet mode the view is best if the back of the unit is raised about 3/4 inch or so. there is of course the 10/100 LAN as well as 56K modem as well as PCMCIA slot

The screen is swiveled in the center of the screen ala Toshiba and Acer. My impression is that the swivel hinge is stronger than the Acer I owned and on par with the Toshiba. There is a little 'bounce' when typing as you have with the Toshiba. But it seemed to be as good as the Toshiba to me.

The weight of 5.5 lbs is noticeable heavier than the 3 lb Toshiba but if the unit is being used mostly in office environment, I dont think that would be a huge drawback. The weight issue is something for individual preferences and uses.

I am sure I have overlooked some feature/item. But this is best I can do with the limited time at my disposal. So bear that in mind when reading my ramblings.

All in all...not a bad unit and this unit as tested was $1279 and cents. I must say that IF I did not neet outside viewing, this unit would probably find a home with me just because of the price. After all this around 2k plus difference for similiar unit. (exception may be the Acer with built in CD which I have never seen...let alone use) But for students and those wanting to try the tablet idea, this is a most attractive offer. Incidently on the hard drive there is a 140 page pdf format manual which is rather nice..

My only reservation....based on limited knowledge...is how the AMD will hold up under these conditions. I have heard that AMD does run hotter and has 'burned out' in some configurations, but this is only from some forums and I have never personally met a person with such problem.

Hope the rambling will be of use to someone.. by the way I dont think the $50 rebate applies to the 80 gig model from Costco..but then the price is right without it...
August 1, 2004 2:06 PM
 

peter said:

Saw it last weekend (7/30/2004) in Costco in Danbury, CT for $1279 with the 80gb drive... Looks like a great machine for the price, and I'm sure a few months of patience will bring the price below $1000. Best Tablet PC deal I've seen in the last year.
August 2, 2004 3:12 PM
 

peter said:

Hi all - I've been trying to track this thing down for forever. The company itself (perhaps not the product but I will get to that) seems dreadful. Every time I called, they referred me to some other outlet who invariably said they never ever heard of averatec. Finally, I found a Costco who 'had' the C3500, but of the 4 they sold, 3 were returned within the week and so they pulled it off the shelf and sent them all back, with no further indication if or when they would re-stock them.

Anyone know why so many people returned the C3500? Is there some major problem with it? I'm not a computer person but I do need to buy something soon. Would you all recommend gambling on this company and this computer?
August 11, 2004 3:25 PM
 

peter said:

i just bought tonight and taking it back to costco tomorrow. he fan goes on with every move you make. How annoying.
August 12, 2004 3:41 AM
 

peter said:

hey, Rob, try to play around the BIOS config, you may be able to twick the fan as the fan and battery need a period of time to "learn" how to operate.

I look at the unit today, I am sold on this one, now I need to find a way to get rid of my sony v505.

I had been using laptop for years, never have a laptop with battery which can run for more than 3 hours. the v505 only give me about 1 and half hour. the best one is Sotec 3120 which can last for almost 3 hours (2:50) of hard drive Dixv playback and 2 and 1/2 hour of VCD playing. i am a happy sotec(now averatec) owner until one day i took the laptop back to bestbuy and ask for change fan(fan noise issue on 3120,pretty common) and they get lazy and give me a v505 instead. man I made a big mistake on this one, not only the sony is bigger, but also it came with crappy softwares, screen display quality is no where near my 3120. I should not accept the offer. anyway, I will say stay away from sony whoever ask my advice on buying a laptop. anyway, back to topic, 3 hours of battery is good for me, and at least I trust sotec/averatec more than Toshiba and Sony. toshiba told me 2 hour of useage(2800, marketing material told me 2 hours), and i never get 1 and 1/2 out of it, battery died after 3 month of useage. V505 told me 3 to 3 1/2, I never have more than 2 hours out of it and that only happen when i turn the screen to lowest brightness, same type of useage on 3120 will last me 2 and 1/2 hour with brightness all the way to top.

about the heat issue. in 4 punder laptop, don't expect cool running laptop with near 7 pounder performance. out of all the laptop that I had use, v505 is the coolest feeling one. i put a "feeling" on because the laptop is not running any cooler than others, just because sony design the laptop have heat insolate plastic on the bottom, so you don't feel hot(good design for user and bad design for electronic since the machine always operate at high temperature, that may be why sony laptop don't last long). you either burn your lap or your laptop. C3500 may generate quite amount of heat, but I think that's acceptable.

anway, i will check out the NEC tablet at Sam's club this weekend, that thing only selling for under 1k, and it's like .6 inch thick, but without the convertable design and running on a much slower CPU. but for under 1k get an ultraprotable (2.2 pound) tablet, that may be better deal than averatec.
August 13, 2004 2:18 AM
 

peter said:

Well I am typin this from my recently purchased Averatec C3500. No problems with the fan. No problems with anything. It definitely runs warm, but nothing of concern and and is a bit heavy, but for my business thats not an issue. It has done everything that it claims and is worth every penny. In fact, I am writing on its input panel right now. Not to bad.
August 14, 2004 6:50 PM
 

peter said:

To correct one point earlier: the Averatec C3500 does come with a built in microphone.
August 18, 2004 6:53 PM
 

peter said:

Got my C3500 at Costco. Runs warm but not uncomfortable in a lap, but better not on bare skin. Fan blow hard and warm, could work as a heater if you hold it blowing towards you (as when the screen is reversed to watch DVD's.

Trackpad on mine slopes down toward the left and rear left back corner. At first I thougt I broke it. Someone please confirm for me that this is part of the design (so you can tell without looking where your finger is on the pad?)

Also no cables in the box other than the power cord. THe PDF manual seems to imply that there should be an ethernet rj45 cable and a modem rj11 cable. Anyone eles get their's at costco and know? THe box was sealed when I bought it.

Oh yeah, I love the puppy. People at the cyber coffee house were noticing it.
August 25, 2004 3:59 PM
 

peter said:

Love this thing
Use it everyday at school
BUT, noticed 2 things
1. 2 hours is max on battery. My sister has a Vaio with Centrino. Is cooler, i.e temperature, but that may be because of the way they divert heat away from your lap. Anyway feels cooler, and fan is quieter. However her battery can go and go and go. Lasts her the whole day of usage at UCSD. But really that means about 4-5 hours on time. Also her model has a "long life battery" that you can get to double the time to ? 10 hours. But that increases the weight from sub 5 pound to just over 5 pounds. However her screen is not really very good, and I like the tablet features.
2. No tech support from Averatec. Nothing on website, and they don't know much about this product except to say, "reinstall OS from the backup cd" every time you have a problem with them.
3. Norton Anti Virus that comes with the machine runs with error message because it says you need to have administrator rights. However, even when you make up a new profile and give it adminstrator rights so it will install everything and then reboot and give it limited rights, it still has the error message as if it nees to install something. Norton couldn't fix because they say its Averatec OS tweaks and Averatec says its Norton. When I told Averatec to work it out with Norton, solve the problem, and get back to me since Averatec is selling the unit with Norton, they sais "It is not our reposibility." If your unit turns on and runs, you need to go to the manufacturer of the software, regardless of the fact we installed it for you and sold it to you, for tech support. So I uninstalled Norton, and using Sophos, free Anti Virus software that UCLA provide. But this is really bad "no tech" support.
4. Cannot update Onenote on the Microsoft website cause a file is need from the "original CD" and there is no image on the hard drive and you cannot extract it from the back up CD's they give you, and they don't post the file, nor do they send you the Original One Note CD you should be entitled to, even OEM version, since YOU PAID FOR IT, and it is licensed, not stolen. So no updates available for now.
5. When I called them about any issues with XP SP2, got "We Don't Know, ask Microsoft." They should be testing their own units, don't you think?
6. Last issue is that for some reason now in the middle of doing something, and it is not always the same thing, it will just reboot. Ran antivirus 3 versions of scan and online, antispy, 5 versions programs from Javacool Adware Spybot etc., nothing detected. I called their NO TECH support, and got "reinstall the os from the CDROMS that came with the laptop." They don't need a 24/7 phone service for that. They could save money by posting a label on the box. FOR ALL PROBLEMS REINSTALL THE OS FROM CDROM.

That is how I cam to your forum looking for tech help and seeing if anyone else had same experience.

Almost forgot, piglet, the touch pad on mine is flat with the laptop case, no sloping no grooves. Just a standard normal touch pad, so I think yours is defective unless it is an update to mine, and that is and "??IMPROVEMENT??"" I bought mine 4 weeks ago, when they first came out, and that was a laugh too. When I called Averatec the first time, they said they didn' have a unit called a C3500. Appparently they forgot to tell their NO TECH support they were selling them at Costco. When I asked for the Stupidvisor, that is not a typo. He said, OH Yes We have that model but they weren't supposed to be sold yet. Talk about the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing?
September 5, 2004 1:06 PM
 

peter said:

Where is the "Built-in Microphone" and how do you get it to work? There is no documention on this, just a port on the right for an external mic.
September 5, 2004 3:43 PM
 

peter said:

I bought a C3500 laptop this weekend at Staples. They had in on sales for $1249 with $100 rebate, so the total after rebate will be $1149. Although the laptop comes with an 60G hard drive instead of an 80G version from Costco, It is really no big deal to me because I don't think I will use the space anyway.

Once I got it home and played with it a bit, and everything seemed to be fine. I was not sure why so many people returned the laptops to Costco and Staples. It took me a while before I could actually find a Staples that had one that was not opened.

After I was sure that everything was fine, I ran the Windows update to install Windows XP SP2 which updated it to Windows XP Tablet PC 2005. The update went smoothly, but I found out that I was not able to use the floating input panel. When I am using One Note, the floating input panel only pops up if the pen is actually lifted from the screen. There is no way I could click on it in time to display the panel. When I tried, the icon went away. I was able to display the floating input panel only when moved the pen closer to the screen and I saw the arrow and click the left button on the touch pad.

Once the floating panel was on the screen, I was not able to use it either. When I tried to use the pen to write, the panel would disappear as soon as the pen touched the screen. I am planning to call Averatec to find out if they know anything about this, but I doubt that they will have any answers.

As far as upgrading One Note is concerned, there is a trick that you can do to be able to upgrade it. Once you get the laptop, you should download One Note the trial version from Microsoft Web site. Just go there and search for it. Once you download the trial version, you run the setup program and instead of using the product key that Microsoft tells you, use the one that came with the laptop. Once you are done, it will be current version (One Note SP1) without having to run any update.

If anyone know how to fix the floating input panel, let me know.

RJ
September 7, 2004 10:29 AM
 

peter said:

I started to buy one myself but found out as to 1 major reason it was being taken back to the stores.
Apperently to "cut" costs Averatec went with alternate digitizer hardware instead of using Wacom's like everyone else. They boasted about having 512 levels of sensitivity over a Wacom digitizer's 215. Being an artist(the main reason I see needing a tablet), those numbers mean nothing if the software I chose to install and use wont recognize the device. Thus, defeating the purpose of even having a tablet in the 1st place. Its nice to have a cheap alternative out there but becuase of this I could not use this and recommend it to another artist.
If your an artist and wish to install a graphics app, like Corel or Adobe. This tablet is not the best bargain, since either app is rendered useless(unless you dont mind using the mouse or lugging around and extra wacom pad).
September 13, 2004 11:21 PM
 

peter said:

I just bought the Averatac C3500 today. While using the notebook I noticed that my screen had a GREEN DOT in the middle of the display. I tried adjusting background, settings, etc. but the dot was still there. I gues this was a defect. I went back to return the unit at Staples for another but it was the last one. Now I have to wait a week for a new shipment. Has anyone heard of the same defect I had? How is the integrated video card for games? I've also read that the video setting can be changed from 32mb to 64mb....I can't seem to figure how it is done. It's not availabe to change in the "advanced" setting or BIOS. Please help.....thanks
October 2, 2004 2:05 AM
 

peter said:

I have a problem with C3500. It hangs at booting. It shows "Windows is strating up.." and hang there.
Anyone has this problem and know how to solve it?

Thanks.
October 6, 2004 2:05 AM
 

peter said:

go download the patch...
October 9, 2004 11:12 AM
 

peter said:

Interesting.

I recently bought the Averatec, and it works well for me.

I don't use OneNote - being a student, I intend on buying GoBinder instead.

Sounds like I'll be going to the software companies' support for software problems - but being as I'm very good at troubleshooting stuff myself, I'm not too worried about tech support.

The graphics are good for most uses. Don't expect to play the latest games, though, since it's using shared-memory video. For all other uses, however, it seems to work well.

Can't complain about having 4 USB ports, video out, and a CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive :).

Internet access is practically flawless, for both wired and wireless access. Wireless seems to have a longer range than my classmates' laptops :).

IMHO, it's a good deal for the money, especially for students.

Staples is probably the best place to get the notebook from, they usually have it in stock.

"Stan The Man" - it's probably a bad pixel. You'll have to replace the LCD to fix it.

The laptop does get warm, yes, but it's not too bad. I'm going to try one of those software CPU coolers, and adjust my Windows settings to conserve battery life.
October 25, 2004 3:42 AM
 

peter said:

Just to let you know, the M741 supports DirectX 7 in hardware acceleration and DirectX 9 in software. You can say that the graphics chips is better than the S3 Unichrome the 3200 series have (DX6 in Hardware).
October 25, 2004 9:54 PM
 

peter said:

Correction: SIS M471 :P
October 25, 2004 9:55 PM
 

peter said:

I have had the C3500 for about a week. I spent 3 months deciding what to buy and I waiver back and forth about whether I love or hate this thing!

So far it has rebooted in the middle of my master's homework, a presentation and reading email!

It does run hot but I feel better about it after reading these posts.

October 30, 2004 10:59 AM
 

peter said:

hi i was just wondering since no one has mentioned it but has anyone had any wireless netwokring problems with their averatec? Ive had mine for a week now and no matter where I go I cant connect. It works sometimes, and is able to pick up the available networks but then it cant adapt for some reason. I cant figure out if its a software or a hardware problem. Ive contacted Averatec but they are useless. Anyone one?
November 3, 2004 7:39 PM
 

peter said:

Is the heat problem real? Is Averatec C3500 worth the money and how does it compare to higher priced PC Tablet? Thanks
November 4, 2004 12:58 AM
 

peter said:

am thinking of buying one from Computer City. Are they all the same (Costco, Staples, etc). I am used to a COMPAC presario laptop and tend not to be too computer literate... is this going to be a problem. Reading thru the comments, I am a bit nervous.
November 5, 2004 7:40 AM
 

peter said:

This is in response to the post by RJ. After upgrading to SP2 the floating input panel doesn't work by default. However there is, a driver fix for this. I used the one at MSFT's website. But I believe even Averatec also has a fix for it on their website. The hand recognition is way better in sp2 and worth the effort to upgrade to
December 5, 2004 5:08 AM
 

peter said:

I bought one and it had several H/W problems. Worst issues were battery won't charge, keyboard entries didn't always work, pen alignment even after calibration was not accurate, runs very hot, sound is very low and tinny.
December 23, 2004 2:31 AM
 

peter said:

Anyone know how to adjust the memory allocation in order to increase the amount used for video memory on the c3500?
December 30, 2004 8:06 PM
 

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